One of those two will be president no matter what you do. They will then be in a position capable of inflicting great damage. Trump will use that position to hurt more people than Biden. The math here isn't complicated, and it continually astounds me how many people on the left cannot actually solve the trolly problem when faced with it for real. It really shows which people are engaged in politics as a means to an end rather than as personal expression or a hobby.

[–] Melkath@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Dont. Support. Genocidal. Fascists.

[–] bear -1 points 10 months ago

I don't support anyone. I oppose the worst outcome, and seek to steer our course away from it. Only narcissists and hobbyists hyperventilate about who they are "supporting".

I engage in politics as a means to an end and nothing more. I take the best option available and I move on to the next task. To do otherwise is to value the self above the collective, and as a communist that is not a luxury I'm afforded.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

how many people on the left cannot actually solve the trolly problem when faced with it for real.

i'm not willing to kill someone so i'm not going to flip the switch and send the trolley hurtling at them. even if all the democrats do it, i'm going to choose not to have blood on my hands.

[–] bear 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is selfishness and self-importance. You value the cleanliness of your own hands more than you value the lives of those you might save. You would rather stand idly by and allow even more people to die, than get involved but dirty your precious hands in the process. But I guess if you feel like you're above it all and better than the rest of us, there's not much I can say to convince you to descend from your ivory tower and risk getting dirty.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

you can clutch your pearls all you want but I'm not killing anyone.

[–] bear 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Well I guess as long as you're just letting people die passively you can feel detached from the outcome. You've saved your soul, your hands are clean, you are absolved.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

if the option is let innocent people die or murder innocent an innocent person, it's no choice at all. I'm not participating.fortunately, I expect to be able to vote for cornel west, so I do have a way to participate!

[–] bear 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Me, watching people die: "Don't look at me, I voted for the guy that got 0.5%, my hands are clean"

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

imagine thinking it's ok to vote for genocide on the premise that it's going to happen whether you vote for it or not. imagine: voting for genocide.

[–] bear 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'm not voting for genocide, I'm voting against the genocide getting worse. But again, you value this reactionary notion of purity more than you value the lives of the victims you could have saved. It's all about how it makes you feel, not about having an actual impact.

There are two choices, I will vote for the one that results in the least people dying, instead of acting pompous and self-important. I will then begin working to make the next choice more in our favor. And I will keep repeating this process until I die, because life is hard and then it's over.

I commend you for having the stomach to sit passively on the sidelines, watching horrors unfold around you, without ever getting involved. I lack that fortitude.