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'100-200,000, not two million': Israel's finance minister envisions depopulated Gaza
(www.haaretz.com)
this post was submitted on 31 Dec 2023
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Idiotic reason to vote for Trump who is far worse toward Palestine.
Then the democratic party should make the most basic effort to condemn genocide. I wont vote for the support of genocide. It's really not a high bar. It's frankly pathetic that you are suggesting we have accept that. That makes you explicitly in support of the ethnic cleansing of gaza and the people of Palestine. You are evil.
I'm evil? Strong language for someone suggesting Trump is a worse alternative than Biden.
You are evil and acting in bad faith. It's hard to imagine how you think wanting a president who will condemn genocide means supporting trump. You don't, you want to continue the dishonest dialog that the only discourse is we must accept the democratic party as is or else. What it is a threat and acting in bad faith.
Plenty of them are. But you're willing to toss them all out with a figurehead. The AICP is currently campaigning against several Democrats for calling out the genocide .Yeah Biden's out of touch and a bit problematic. But this is the height of self-defeating virtue signaling. Not that it has stopped a lot of you in the past. San timoniously and hypocritically criticizing everyone else while doing nothing to make the situation actually better. Soothing your own conscience with trying to convince yourself that you're meaningless gesture was worth it.
Biden is what we are saddled with and it could be far worse. You need to take care of business this election cycle and the moment it's over start pushing better people for 2028 or sooner.
That's what people said last election. We always have to push them to be better the next election. Always settle for worse. What a shit electoral system the US has. And the hilarious part is that unless that person you're talking to lives in a swing state their vote probably doesn't matter anyway.
What if I hate America? Who should I vote for? 🤔
Very nice, you have made genocide into nothing more than virtue signaling. You are gross, your arguments are gross and it is your continued support to the establish us political system and parties that gave us trump to begin with.
Keep on virtue, signaling. And whatever you do don't do anything that might actually help.
It's very telling that you can't address any of the points I made. Acting offended is all you've got.
You are offensive.
You are performing outrage poorly.
Oh my, you got me.
100% and it's not any sort of achievement. Even. You all are very predictable. So much talk and whining. So a little action and solutions.
You can't even hold a debate. You can't even argue your points. The whole time you've been doing but nothing but making strawmen and accusing people of random bullshit just because they disagree with you. Classic ML move. Not all of us can be children well into adulthood. At some point most of us happen to have to grow up. You may be the exception.
Reality requires compromise. Reality requires strategy. You are not going to get everything you want. Even part of the time. You have to work within the systems that exist to achieve the results you want. And the fucked up situation right now. Is that Biden is the best chance a lot of Palestinians etc have coming from the US. It will be either be him or Trump.
You at best will either not vote. Or cast your vote for someone who never stood a chance of ever achieving the presidency and doing absolutely zero to help out these poor people being genocided that you pretend to be so concerned about. All so you can make some excuse to yourself about how you are somehow superior to everyone around you. Because that's all that's important to you. Virtue signaling and feigning superiority. You can't even make a hard decision to do the best thing possible to actually help people. Even something so small. It's beyond you.
In the US no vote is a republican vote. I know you don't like to hear it but its the way it is. The fewer people that vote the higher their chances go up.
Then the democratic party should make the most minimal effort to win by standing against genocide.
No offense, but I really hope you are young and that's the reason you are this naive. The next president is going to be either a democrat or a republican. Denying that reality so you can feel better about yourself is doing the people of Gaza no favors. You have no power of the situation and especially if you are in a swing state, the only thing you can do to help them is to keep the republicans out of the white house.
I actually understand your thought process, I used to be the same way. I wish third parties were viable too and I wish we had better options, but right now, the best chance you personally can give Gaza is voting Democrat.
Well as it stands, the average American can't do much at all. But the republicans absolutely love Israel and Israel is going to get even more support from the US if the republicans control our government.
Stop doing that you insufferable pea-brained dolt.
Not voting for Biden doesn't mean I'm voting for Trump.
Idiots like you sit there like your vote is a party popper you MUST use to show if your streamers and confetti are blue or red.
I am disgusted with the options I am presented with. I get no streamers or confetti...
Unless Biden condemns the Israeli genocide of Palestine and champions imposing massive embargoes on Israel while fully ceasing any funding in full.
Then I might believe he (and the DNC) are humbling WAY the fuck up, listening to their constituents, and correcting course is the SMALLEST of ways.
I vote for anyone but Biden, or even a no vote, is a vote for Trump.
If you think Palestine is in bad shape under Biden, try to imagine how much worse it'd be with Trump.
The only way to get Democrat candidates on the left is to crush the right wing so that the Overton window moves.
First they think of not voting. That's one vote for Trump.
Then they decide to vote for Trump. That's two votes for Trump!
By this logic, every dollar you don't donate to Biden is a dollar donated to Trump.
You are the uncle Tom piece of shit that has lead this country here.
I do not vote for Biden. I do not vote for Trump.
You can't make me.
Your rhetoric is outdated, idiotic, and counter-productive.
One of those two will be president no matter what you do. They will then be in a position capable of inflicting great damage. Trump will use that position to hurt more people than Biden. The math here isn't complicated, and it continually astounds me how many people on the left cannot actually solve the trolly problem when faced with it for real. It really shows which people are engaged in politics as a means to an end rather than as personal expression or a hobby.
Dont. Support. Genocidal. Fascists.
I don't support anyone. I oppose the worst outcome, and seek to steer our course away from it. Only narcissists and hobbyists hyperventilate about who they are "supporting".
I engage in politics as a means to an end and nothing more. I take the best option available and I move on to the next task. To do otherwise is to value the self above the collective, and as a communist that is not a luxury I'm afforded.
i'm not willing to kill someone so i'm not going to flip the switch and send the trolley hurtling at them. even if all the democrats do it, i'm going to choose not to have blood on my hands.
This is selfishness and self-importance. You value the cleanliness of your own hands more than you value the lives of those you might save. You would rather stand idly by and allow even more people to die, than get involved but dirty your precious hands in the process. But I guess if you feel like you're above it all and better than the rest of us, there's not much I can say to convince you to descend from your ivory tower and risk getting dirty.
you can clutch your pearls all you want but I'm not killing anyone.
Well I guess as long as you're just letting people die passively you can feel detached from the outcome. You've saved your soul, your hands are clean, you are absolved.
if the option is let innocent people die or murder innocent an innocent person, it's no choice at all. I'm not participating.fortunately, I expect to be able to vote for cornel west, so I do have a way to participate!
Me, watching people die: "Don't look at me, I voted for the guy that got 0.5%, my hands are clean"
imagine thinking it's ok to vote for genocide on the premise that it's going to happen whether you vote for it or not. imagine: voting for genocide.
I'm not voting for genocide, I'm voting against the genocide getting worse. But again, you value this reactionary notion of purity more than you value the lives of the victims you could have saved. It's all about how it makes you feel, not about having an actual impact.
There are two choices, I will vote for the one that results in the least people dying, instead of acting pompous and self-important. I will then begin working to make the next choice more in our favor. And I will keep repeating this process until I die, because life is hard and then it's over.
I commend you for having the stomach to sit passively on the sidelines, watching horrors unfold around you, without ever getting involved. I lack that fortitude.
Nobody is going to make you vote one way or another, but please recognize the following:
The United States is currently a two party system. It sucks. We need to push for more ranked choice voting, as well as direct popular vote.
However, until we're able to achieve something that makes this parties viable, we will continue to have issues with the right wing getting undue influence in our politics.
Vote with your heart, but make sure that you're okay with another Trump presidency of you decide not to vote for Biden.
Keep in mind as you do so that more than one state had enough votes for Jill Stein that if they had gone to Hillary, Trump never would have become president.
We should have viable parties outside of the two not great to horrible parties we have now. But that's simply not the way our government works as it stands now.
Last thing: you've become a single issue voter. This is the lefty equivalent of only caring about abortion and ignoring literally everything else. Politics is complicated, and I personally find single issue voters incredibly shortsighted and lazy.
Considering... considering... nope, wont support genocide.
Instead youll sit idle by as fascism takes over. You are no less responsible if you dont vote.
Biden. Is. Funding. Genocide.
He is actively exploiting Bush era "emergency powers" that were never rolled back after 9/11 to sell artillery to Israel.
He is fascist too.
This is what happens when you let soft brained morons convince you that supporting lesser evil is mandatory. You support evil and both sides continually get worse.
I ask you, if there is one party that tries you stop you from voting in any way they can, doesn't you not voting play into their hand?
Just stop supporting genocide; this isn't hard.
Refusing to vote for Evil, any Evil, is a pretty straightforward moral position to take.
Meanwhile your voting choice requires complex mental gymnastics to justify, which is quite an indication that you're trying to come up with excuses for yourself for doing what you do not feel is the morally right thing to do.