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[–] Naich@kbin.social 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

You seem to be under the impression that a bicycle is more expensive to buy and run than a car. I'd love to see your working for this.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Renting a home close enough to your workplace to make biking every day practical is usually more expensive than owning a car and living further away - especially if you have a family and need more than a studio apartment. In that sense, owning a bicycle and not a car is more expensive.

That said, this could be fixed with better public transit.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

And better zoning laws, allowing mixed zoning (within reason).

[–] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world -5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

The average US commute is about 30 minutes.

That distance on bike in a city is about ~~10~~ 2.5 hours.

In a city you can go about 5 miles in 30 minutes on a bike

I live in a city with an MSA of, let’s call it 2 million people.

What is it going to cost to cram 2 million people into a 5 mile circle and not have roads to bring in food?

[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The average US commute distance is 20 miles one-way. That’s about 2 hours by bike at a slow-ish pace (10 mph). Did you accidentally calculate a walking pace (2 mph) which would take the 10 hours you suggested?

[–] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I think you are correct. Good Catch.

[–] Naich@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago

Before COVID, I used to often have a 45 minute commute by car or a 35 minute commute by bicycle. It's an 8 mile bike trip that is easy enough for me, a not particularly fit 56 year old, or a 9 mile car journey with 25 minutes of sitting in traffic. An electric bike would make it even easier to go further.

So, I'd question your numbers.