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The International Cricket Council has become the latest sports body to ban transgender players from the elite women’s game if they have gone through male puberty.

The ICC said it had taken the decision, following an extensive scientific review and nine-month consultation, to “protect the integrity of the international women’s game and the safety of players”.

It joins rugby union, swimming, cycling, athletics and rugby league, who have all gone down a similar path in recent years after citing concerns over fairness or safety.

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[–] Cyberjin@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sorry if my English is a bit weird. If they have the chromosomes (XY), then yes.

[–] PotatoKat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Trans women and trans men are significantly closer to being intersex.

[–] wafflez@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Being a man is not xy chromosomes. It's a social construct normally situated around expressing masculinity in general, with no clear foundation. If you're referring to male/female, this is also a social construct that fails to account for chromosomes outside of the xx/xy chromosome binary.

Hormones are the biggest genuine factor when it comes to sports and transwomen have generally the same athleticism as ciswomen due to HRT; and vice versa with men.

[–] Cyberjin@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

No, chromosomes are not a social construct. They are physical structures in cells that carry genetic information and play a fundamental role in biological processes, including determining an individual's sex. The concept of chromosomes is grounded in biology and genetics, not social constructs.

You can spin it all you want, but women are getting destroyed in sports by transwomen because they have physique of a man like bone structure and muscle mass.

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

chromosomes are not a social construct

True, they exist in the physical world! But what chromosomes mean to us is indeed a social construct. Who cares what some little dingle in your nucleus says? People who follow socially constructed divisions in society based on this arbitrary physical thing, that's who. 💝

but women are getting destroyed in sports by transwomen

Can you PLEASE share a source for this? No one will source this claim but it keeps getting upvoted

[–] Cyberjin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Last time my comment got deleted.. I don't know if it were the link or something else.

Just search for it on YouTube "Five Times Trans Athletes Beat Thousands Of Women In Their Sports"

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

.... your source is a YouTube video listicle??

EDIT lol it's 3 minutes of text on still images and some of the most transphobic shit

[–] Cyberjin@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Easy to consume, but why don't you just use search for the names mentioned in the video? 😂

[–] wafflez@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Our conceptualization of chromosomes and how we relate them to being "man" or "woman" is a social construct. This is what I was referring to.

Transwomen are heavily taken out of context by the media in sports and I have yet to see any actual evidence that transwomen shouldnt be allowed in sports for women. Hormones play the most significant factor

[–] PotatoKat@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That's a "rare" (or should I say "exclusive" since multiple family members have it?) mutation, being like "only XX females can give birth right? Shows link Checkmate transphobes!" isn't really proving anything. It's a genetic mutation.

It's as close to saying "people that can't feel pain are superhumans" when they're usually the opposite and have to live life in fear of constantly hurting themselves, sometimes severely, and being unaware of it.

[–] PotatoKat@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The point is that chromosomes are clearly not what deterimes sex if a female was born with XY chromosomes. Genetic mutations are a part of life and we literally can't know the percentage of females born with XY without testing literally everyone. Your mom could be XY and you'd never know unless she got tested. So if chromosomes don't determine sex what do? Saying it's a genetic mutation is a thought terminating cliche and allows you to continue living life without thinking deeply on the subject. Which, imo, is pretty anti-science.

Genetic anomalies don't at all make something invalid. Did you know red hair is/was a genetic mutation? Does that make red hair not a hair color?

"There's only black brown and blonde everything else is a genetic mutation"

[–] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Of course genetic mutations are a pretty common thing, but some are minor (like your red hair example), some are "WTF? How did that happen?" mutations, and some are straight up deadly like the various forms of cancer.

Women being XX is a classification (?) we've all agreed on because like 99.8% of people with XX chromosomes are women. Mutations are literally something out of the ordinary that shouldn't happen.* A woman shouldn't have XY chromosomes because almost every woman in history that we know of has XX chromosomes*.

[–] greenmarty@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Social construct is the separation of gender from sex. In many languages it doesn't even make sense because fe/male is used for animals or wo/men for humans while gender and sex are represented by single word.

[–] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This whole argument of "gender vs sex" is ridiculous and always has been. Biology is what matters, not what words you use to refer to yourself or others.

[–] PotatoKat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm definitely not a conservative Republican, far from it. I love how people immediately jump to conclusions on here based on one statement.

I don't give a damn what bathroom you use.

IMO this is like arguing whether a tomato is a fruit or a vegetable.