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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago

Never seen such a good bad faith argument, I will give you that. All fallacies thrown into one. Th most egregious being moving the goal post. Accusing someone of which one is guilty of. A certain Nazi said that. Of course the other end of the horse shoe meets the other. I’ve debated many many likes of you to see through the bad faith arguments, especially your having cognitive dissonance right now and the holes showing. Let’s start.

The only person making bad faith argument here is you buddy. Also, if you think that what you're doing here passes for debate I feel sorry for you.

There is no double standard. We talked about communism and its derivative not living up to its standards.

What standards is communism not living up to, you never defined those. This is literally an example of a bad faith argument and goal post moving on your part.

Communism pruports to fight against the abuses and yet turned around on its original goals.

You have shown no such thing here. What goals does communism turns on exactly? You're just stating random nonsense here as fact.

It just evolved on its own. Practitioners of capitalism are not one monolith out to abuse workers intentionally. There are still capitalist countries that still have better worker rights than the US.

None of the capitalist countries are able to do what USSR or Cuba have done which is ensure that everyone has housing, education, healthcare, jobs, and a retirement. That's just a basic fact of the situation.

You brought up US prison population after I mentioned arrests under communist regimes. You doing that implies Americans are being arrested for political reasons.

It implies no such thing, and if you had basic reading comprehension skills then you'd see that I've explicitly said that it doesn't matter why US claims to arrest people.

So you admit that people in the Soviet Union were imprisoned for political reasons. Ergo, and correct me if I am wrong, you’re insinuating that imprisonment in the Soviet Union is political, but it is still better than that of the US because of lower incarceration rate, even though many prisoners in the US are not political.

This is just a straw man you keep building that has nothing to do with anything I said. Nowhere did I say that USSR didn't imprison people for political reasons. Every country arrests people for political reasons, including western capitalist regimes you're so fond of. Assange is currently being tortured in UK for political reasons, and that's just one example. Again, the question is regarding the rate of incarceration, and here USSR did a lot better than vast majority of capitalist regimes.

You compared arbitrary arrests in the Soviet Union to systemic racism of American prison system.

The arrests in USSR weren't arbitrary that's just something you made up.

Are you diminishing then the severity of arbitrary arrests without warrant and due process with the flawed racial bias of another?

You have yet to demonstrate on what basis you claim the arrests in USSR were any more arbitrary than arrests in western countries are. What made these arrests arbitrary do elaborate.

As for China’s prison population. You’d be disappointed to find out it is true. Search it on your Yandex search engine.

Why would you lie about something that can be easily googled, you're an utter clown