The instance seems to be mostly right wing trolls. I know defederating is unpopular but I don't think much is to be lost in this case and it can save the mods some headaches.
Edit: the response on exploding-heads.com to my reporting of transphobia. Courtesy of the "second in command"
Not the prettiest instance, but have they caused any real trouble outside of their own instance? Not much of a fediverse if we just defederate from instances that lean different politically. Especially seems like a weird move to go defederating on other instances this early given y'know, that we just got defederated from beehaw because of one misbehaved asshole.
Given that no bigotry is one of the stated rules of this instance and that bigotry is pretty rampant over on that instance I think it would be appropriate to disassociate with them.
Seems like something you should block individual users over rather than a whole instance
If the instance lets bigots participate then the problem is with the instance itself.
lemmy.ml has tankies on it among normal discussion, but it allows the genocide-denying tankies, therefore we should defederate from lemmy.ml too right? Very sound logic.
Nice whataboutism you got there, care to come up with an actual argument instead of trying to deviate the discussion?
So only certain bigots count, got it.
Now you're putting words in my mouth as well?
You're totally unable to stay on topic, aren't you?
Bigotry is a matter of personal taste. I found some posts from trans subs talking about cis white men killing people, but I didn't try to censor them because I'm an adult and possess the ability to ignore them.
I'm not saying we should immediately defederate, but the reason I originally went to check them out was partially because of this comment and the reply from dick@exploding-heads.com
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/207742
When he made that reply, it got rapidly upvoted to +7, while my comment was also sitting at about +7. This morning, several hours later, when a bunch of actual sh.itjust.works users woke up and read the thread, the ratio of votes changed in my favor.
I fear that we are going to deal with a significant level of brigading from that instance, and unlike reddit we don't really have any tools to combat that.
They also had a good laugh about the troll who posted here about getting us defederated by beehaw. They really don't like beehaw, or gay people in general.
It's whatever but we are already defederated with lemmygrad.ml and I feel like this stuff is on that same tier.
this is an interesting post-reddit effect, we have people of all different types and motives seeking new places.
A lot of people seem to think this is an all out battle between a new community and reddit. Like we have to beat them or something. The situation with reddit is not a win-lose, reddit would never go dark overnight. A lot of users are just over reddit and moving on. I personally don’t care about lemmy becoming the next reddit nor do I really care what happens to them.
A big difference to me with this migration is the instances seem to attract like minds. This is going to be a very interesting event to watch how the fediverse grows and changes.
I personally do see this as a war against reddit and the corporate internet. But we are just marshaling the troops, we aren't about to march into battle.
I think this migration is different for two reasons.
Firstly, because the main users who were alienated were the mods, app devs, and long time redditors. The composition of the exodus is infinitely superior to the voat migration for example.
Secondly, because the platform of Lemmy and the fediverse provides actual value due to the ability to federate. You can't get the combination of access and protection that this platform might eventually provide on regular social media.
I had a look through their hot-page and couldn't find anything on the level of lemmygrad. Do you have any examples?
https://exploding-heads.com/post/100772
Many of the trolls on that thread aren't actually from that server, but they clearly reside in the same dark corner of the internet. But yeah its not really as bad as I thought in terms of needing to defederate, I thought they had over 1k users acting like that but I guess I just replied to the wrong person because the server is mostly dead.
But I have to say, I've never encountered people with such a burning hatred of redditors. Again, it's whatever but I wouldn't be bothered if we did defederate.
I think we should stay federated with them. They haven't said anything wrong or bad yet.
Agree. I think blocking should be done on an individual basis unless it truly becomes a problem for most users and a turn-off for new users
Being openly bigoted isn’t a “political leaning” though, and it’s against lemmy.world’s code of conduct as stated on the sidebar link: https://mastodon.world/about
No one is saying let’s ban conservatives. This discussion is about defederating an instance that seems to be crawling with alt-right trolls. I don’t understand why that would be a problem.
Like I'd hope that we wouldn't follow in Reddit's footsteps of tolerating alt-right bigotry
Defederating isn't like being fucking censored or whatever; it's people deciding that they don't want to be around you
Basically near-every instance did this for Lemmygrad with zero complaint, so it's fucking weird that there are so many people complaining now when it comes to an instance teeming with alt-right bigotry
Reddit didn't tolerate alt-right bigotry. What are you on about?
And yes, defederating is censorship. I had a burggit account because I liked the name, but then once they got defederated from everything, I needed to make a new account. That's censorship.
Lemmygrad, Exploding-Head and Beehaw are all safe-spaces and echo-chambers. They won't wander outside their zone, which they haven't. Find it hilarious you're so huffy about the alt-right, but silent about multiple mods enabling pro-communist content.
Do not mistake inconvenience for oppression.
That is NOT censorship. Everyone on that instance still has every opportunity to say whatever they'd like. Don't cry over the fact that it's not reaching as many people as you want it to.
Obligatory XKCD about this topic.
So you're pro echo-chamber? You also completely disregarded my point about having to make a new account.
No, needing to make a new account is not censorship, get over yourself.
How is having to make a new account in an entirely separate instance not censorship?
…Because how is it censorship?
You can literally access all content available on every instance from any account.
Making an account is free and takes two minutes, I literally just did it.
You can comment on any content you’re federated with from any account.
You aren’t being suppressed from speaking at all.
No, you can't. If an instance has one blocked, you can see it if you deliberately look for it by typing its URL or looking in Blocked Instances. But it won't appear naturally in your feed, nor will you be able to see its users or interact with it.
That means it stops you from interacting with those blocked instances, even if you liked the content from said instances. See the problem now?
Well, no? Because you can still make a new instance to engage with that content? And because you can still see it if you deliberately look for it? Like I literally said?
But you can't interact with it. You have to make a new account in an entirely separate instance to do that. Why do I need to make a new account to access other instances because some mod decided they don't like the content.
Right now making new accounts is easy, yeah, but if the fediverse gets large, it'll become impossibly difficult to make new accounts if your name is common.
No offense but I don’t especially care that you don’t like how it works, because my point is just that it’s not censorship. Demonstrably you don’t need to make a new account to access other instances, you can still see and engage with those instances by deliberately interacting with them.
Why would you federate yourself in an instance that you disagree with the moderation on??
Lol as the fediverse gets large this problem will shrink, not grow, because more groups with different moderators and different moderation styles but the same communities will crop up.
bruh that's not how it works.
When an instance is blocked, YOU CANNOT ENGAGE WITH IT. You can view it if you know how to find it, but you can't access it, you can't comment on it, you can't have others from that instance contact you, you can't do anything in that blocked instance.
like fuck, earlier you talked about how easy it is for you to make an account. So go ahead and make a burggit account, and then try to post on a blocked instance. You'll find your post is invisible to everyone.
If you can view it, you can access it, dude. And the point is that you’re eminently free to participate in other instances that don’t restrict you, and that there are people using the site who aren’t you who might want posting restricted from some communities.
you can't fucking access it, omg. Go ahead, right now, make a burggit account and try to make a post on lemmy.world
Then, when that inevitably fails, I hope you apologise for your mistake. ___
Dude… “post” and “access” aren’t the same word, and you’re getting unnecessarily energetic about this just because I disagree you’re being CENSORED
Are you seriously arguing on semantics?
The core of the issue is the definition of fucking censorship! It’s been a semantic issue the whole time!
Yes it did, until media brought attention to it, then they banned The Donald and Metacanada and these users just joined other subs where they spewed their poison with the admin's blessing in the cases where mods from subs that got banned were also modding other subs that didn't (metacanada mods also modding Canada).
how about that whole span of time that r/the_donald was a subreddit lmao
edit: it's not censorship if you can easily move to another instance with little difficulty and just continue from there, with most of the same communities even
people like you just think someone telling them that they don't want to hear you is the same as being suppressed