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Does Lemmy really benefit from Rust? Is code execution speed the bottleneck? (programming.dev)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Buttons@programming.dev to c/programming@programming.dev

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My first experience with Lemmy was thinking that the UI was beautiful, and lemmy.ml (the first instance I looked at) was asking people not to join because they already had 1500 users and were struggling to scale.

1500 users just doesn't seem like much, it seems like the type of load you could handle with a Raspberry Pi in a dusty corner.

Are the Lemmy servers struggling to scale because of the federation process / protocols?

Maybe I underestimate how much compute goes into hosting user generated content? Users generate very little text, but uploading pictures takes more space. Users are generating millions of bytes of content and it's overloading computers that can handle billions of bytes with ease, what happened? Am I missing something here?

Or maybe the code is just inefficient?

Which brings me to the title's question: Does Lemmy benefit from using Rust? None of the problems I can imagine are related to code execution speed.

If the federation process and protocols are inefficient, then everything is being built on sand. Popular protocols are hard to change. How often does the HTTP protocol change? Never. The language used for the code doesn't matter in this case.

If the code is just inefficient, well, inefficient Rust is probably slower than efficient Python or JavaScript. Could the complexity of Rust have pushed the devs towards a simpler but less efficient solution that ends up being slower than garbage collected languages? I'm sure this has happened before, but I don't know anything about the Lemmy code.

Or, again, maybe I'm just underestimating the amount of compute required to support 1500 users sharing a little bit of text and a few images?

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[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Its not code that seems to have difficulty scaling, it seems to be user curation and user trust that is being difficult to scale.

[–] Buttons@programming.dev 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The lemmy.ml post that asks people to go elsewhere is still stickied and the first thing it mentions is that they have upgraded the server. So that does suggest that compute scaling is an issue.

[–] raspberry_confetti@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

It could also be an issue with disk i/o, data port throughput, database performance...

[–] ruckblack@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

I mean, with all the server issues we've seen with the influx of users, it does seem like the code is difficult to scale