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[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think they’re a little optimistic to assume any elections that aren’t Putin style going forward. We are done as We The People. The American Experiment is over.

That feeling in your belly? That need to huddle with your people, in closeness and silence? It’s the waiting room. Because you don’t know what we are going to be yet, but it’s not going to be a democracy and it’s not going to be America.

Wishful thinking is part of how we got here.

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Putin style elections are exactly the plan. I don't expect Trump to live long though and I don't expect his cult of personality to live after him.

But, reclaiming any sort of democracy from the autocrats will be very difficult. The damage was done Tuesday. And it will take generations for this country to recover, if it does it all.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 11 points 2 weeks ago

It’s easy to break stuff. Building up the United States of America again? Probably not. Rome has fallen.

Worse, this creates a giant power vacuum globally. We’re already seeing bits of it from his last presidency in Russia and Israel.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

We are certainly in a stronger position than woman when they had no right to vote, or black Americans during the civil rights era.

I know this is bad but we can't be whiny bitches about it and give up the moment the scale tips in their favor.

Freedom is still a strong message that can resonate. Professionalism and sound economic policy too. I suspect they will be even more greatly appreciated by then...

Sure, fake elections are a possibility, but with overwhelming exit polling and local activists doing everything they can to provide accurate vote tallies we can at least make it abundantly clear if 2028 ends up stolen. Illegitimate power leaves MAGA exposed to a broad range of potential challenges.

Or maybe not.

But at least be ready for that moment if it comes and don't actively discourage others from doing the same. If MAGA can fight this hard for complete bullshit nonsense from some billionaire that openly manipulates them, then we can fight harder for the rights of our children and future generations.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago

Governments, even totalitarian ones, have been overthrown by popular movements.

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago

I'm not discouraging anybody from acting. Compassion in the moment is always the way and we need to organize to minimize the suffering regardless.

Climate change is here. And the election went the way it did. Nations are impermanent like everything else.

That was my point about the country possibly never recovering. We need to organize outside of electoral politics in our local communties.

The Democrats can't save us and they weren't doing a good job with the to begin with. Hopefully they will use the filibuster to minimize the worst of it.