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As commander in chief (self.notvoting)

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[–] punkisundead 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The only place you lost me is where you specifically are advocating for throwing away a powerful tool for making change.

Voting is not a powerful tool to make change imo. It literally gives the chance to make change away to someone else.

I think you can vote, and also do direct action.

I think so too. You can do that. I wont and I will not change that for the foreseeable future, so instead it might be more useful to find the things we have in common and look for ways where we can cooperate to stop Trump while dismantling the current world and social order that is build on patriarchy and white supremacy.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

look for ways where we can cooperate to stop Trump

I know one way. You absolutely refuse to cooperate with it, though.

[–] punkisundead 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

And here we get to the core of the problem. Even when I explicitly ask for ways of cooperation, there seems no good will to do so from you. This experience is something I make often with people that put voting on a pedastal.

Seems like I dont pass your purity test for cooperation /s

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat -1 points 3 weeks ago

This might surprise you, but sometimes, someone who's trying to talk sense into you is looking out for your best interests.

It's actually pretty common that the person who's saying, "I won't and I will not change," and has simply decided that it's not up for discussion, is hurting themselves and the people around them. It's actually pretty common for them to say things like, "I don't pass your purity test" to try to defend their self-harmful behavior against people who are talking to them, but purity tests are not the point.

I would have thought that:

You have a reasonable point here. I looked over your profile. It looks like you like anarchism, anarchist graffiti, you like organizing and direct action. That’s gold. I like it. It got me thinking about a cafe in my area which I think I should go to and talk to the people about getting involved in some sort of direct action myself. I do think that part of it is great, and a valuable thing.

would have been enough of an olive branch, but I guess not. Your "I'm so cool for not voting" stance might get a whole bunch of people killed. I don't think it's a good idea. You may not like being told that. I definitely wouldn't. But, regardless of that, your "I'm so cool for not voting" stance might get a whole bunch of people killed. Therefore, I don't think it's a good idea. I think you need to hear that.