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[–] JBar2@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (3 children)

While I generally agree with what you said, I'm not convinced Trumpism doesn't die or at least go back into its hole when he goes away.

Trumpism is really nothing more than a power grab by an authoritarian who uses white nationalism rhetoric to enthrall the baser segment of society and amass a voting base to maintain power long enough to undermine democracy.

Trump could die tomorrow, and there's a dozen wannabe authoritarians that would try to fill that void and run on Trumpism.

I'm not convinced there's any MAGAts out there than can inspire the base, get the MAGAts in Congress to coalesce behind them, and solidify the financial support of the Musks, Thiels, etc of the oligarchy.

[–] humblebun@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You know, the world is not the US. Fascism's rising all around the globe and Trump is merely a symptom of a much bigger disaster.

[–] JBar2@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sure, but I was specifically talking about the US.

That said, when the US has a potential leader embracing fascism/authoritarianism, it creates an opportunity for the growth of those political ideologies across the world.

Keeping Trump out of office and believers in democracy in office will help blunt the power and growth of fascism across the globe. It's not the sole solution, but it's quite important that the most powerful country in the world not elect fascists.

[–] WHARRGARBL@fedia.io -5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

USA is not the most powerful or influential country in the world.

In a neighborhood where every home except USA has universal healthcare, living wages, metric system, climate agreements, accountability, proportionate security, and low gun violence, USA is the crazy house that just shouts about how everyone else is wrong and waves its giant arsenal.

[–] JBar2@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Yeah, OK, the US isn't the most economically and militarily powerful country, and by extension, politically powerful🙄

To say otherwise makes you not serious

As does bringing the metric system into the argument

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 1 points 1 month ago

As someone from one of those other houses in the neighbourhood, yeah, nah the US is certainly the most powerful and influential in the world.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

The fascists won't go away when trump does. They were there long before trump. Plotting a Hitler style fascist overthrow of FDRin the 1930s even as Hitler stomped around Europe. Before trump was even born. And many of those implicated suffered no personal repercussions after being outed. The son and grandson of one going on to become modern Republican war starting presidents.

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The fascist rank and file don't go away because they no longer see themselves among a cavalcade of strongmen impersonators, they have been invigorated and organizing to find each other thanks to how mainstream fasicms has become. They will either identify with one, take matters into their own hands like some brown shirt vigilantes, or best case, split among a few different people. That kind of post leader schism is what turned the Black Panthers into the Bloods and the Crips.

Maga got violent when Trump won making 'random' hate crime rates spike, and they organized to attempt a coup when he lost. The violence is unavoidable at this point, thats the point behind saying you can't vote this out. There is no peaceful transition away from fascism. We can only hope they're at each others throats instead of ours.

[–] JBar2@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Fascism needs a strong leader - authoritarianism is at the core of fascism. Of course the rank and file don't go away, but without a strong leader, they lose their power.

Serious question: Referring back to the points I made in my previous post, who is going to effectively step into the fascism void in the US when Trump is gone?

Vance? He's a clown and isn't a true believer in Trumpism

DeSantis? Another clown

Ken Paxton? He's evil enough but not sure he has the charisma to inspire the MAGAts

Trump's base is comprised of sniveling sycophants who don't have the personality, influence, or will to actually try and take over