i'm sure everyone can be normal about this post yes?
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a tumblr post:
autistichalsin posts:
Some of you are literally watching the right wing continuously try to expand the definition of "pedophilia" to include "existing around a child while queer," and then agreeing with them when they say pedophiles deserve to be summarily executed.
Not only does this place innocent people in danger of political executions, it also puts children in danger, as most children who are sexually abused have this done by someone close to them, and feelings that they would be responsible for the death of their abuser if they reported leads to lower rates of reporting. It also leads to higher rates of abusers murdering their victims when they're found out because the punishment will be the same anyway.
Part of being on the left is realizing that it's better to let 100 guilty men go free than to wrongly convict one. Another part of being on the left is realizing that one's life is never something others have the right to take away- even the most evil people alive. Yes, that includes mass murderers and rapists and pedophiles. Once you make one group acceptable to kill, you give others a vested interest in defining groups they have prejudice against into that group.
You have to start dealing with the fact that no crime makes one's life forfeit. Not even the worst most depraved and sadistic acts. The worst people alive have rights, and if you can't accept that they deserve them, at least try to accept that it is to your benefit that they retain rights no matter what they're accused of. And if you can't do even that, well... you just might be the kind of person who would cut off your nose to spite your face.
If you want to protect victims, if you want to protect minority groups, you have to realize that sex crimes, or any crimes at all, do not deserve the death penalty. Period.
brettdoesdiscourse replies:
When a certain kind of person "deserves" to die, bigots will make sure marginalized groups all are that kind of person.
little-gay-dowitcher replies:
My former neighbors were the “kill all pedos” type. They were also incredibly transphobic. And I was visibly queer. So guess who got stalked, harassed and threatened all throughout the brief period of time they babysat for their friend?
Stop enabling fascists. They’ve already proven they’re willing to attack minorities for no reason. Don’t give them a chance to excuse it.
So what should we do with them?
Provide options for psychological therapy for the ones who have not offended.
Incarcerate the ones who have offended and provide options for psychological therapy for them until they are safe to go back out into public.
I'd add in full sterilization so that if any gene in their body had any purpose or cause in them being a pedophile, it is denied re-entry into the gene pool forever.
Mmm, "eugenics but actually it's good because we're applying it to People With Bad Characteristics"
Don't forget the whole issue of the "(non sexual) drag acts are pedophilia" "being gay/trans/etc is child grooming" "Kissing someone of the same gender in a public space should be illegal" arguments that would allow conservatives to sterilize/chemically castrate anybody lgbtq or gender non-conforming due to the whole "Think of the children!!!" moral panic.
Hell this almost happened in Florida when they passed the bill that allowed forced chemical castration of people convicted of sexual battery, as well as that anti drag show bill which punished drag show performers with sexual misdemeanor charges, but also had a proposed amendment to change that to a sexual battery charge.
I mean
fucking kids, man.
You wanna draw a line, you grab the chalk.
There are many people eager to draw the pedophilia line at queer people existing in public.
Automatically killing all pedophiles tells pedophiles to murder their victims as the punishment for murder can be less than the penalty for pedophilia.
Would you rather a child be sexually assaulted and survive or for a child to be sexually assaulted and then murdered?
That's the decision you're making when you vote for summary execution of pedophiles.
Probably humane quarantine and rehabilitation, whether they are ever released or not. "Make the problem happen less" is better than "fuck his shit up for crossing a line".
The line we're talking about here is raping children. There's no "rehabilitating" that. If they could control themselves they wouldn't have done it the first time, unless they're completely evil in which case, also fuck them.
This is the most important line. They might not ever be able to be rehabilitated. Maybe there's something broken in them that can be fixed with therapy. Maybe there isn't, and they never can be released without significant danger of reoffending. Either way, it isn't our place to execute anyone for their crimes. If there is a crime, there will be innocent people convicted of it, and if there is a death penalty, there will be innocent people that receive it. The entire point of the post is that the definition of "pedo" continues to be expanded, until it's really just being used as an ever expanding label to apply to political out-groups.
Where you draw the line may be different from where others draw the line, but no matter where you draw the line, some innocent person is dying, and maybe someone that committed no crime but being marginalized. As the post said, conservatives have been trying to expand the definition of pedophile to include queer people for decades, and ramping up the violent rhetoric as well. The more we advocate for violence against those we consider deserving, even if their crime is heinous, the more we assist those trying to expand the definition in their attempt to wield that hatred as a weapon against their chosen targets.
In summary, if you're okay with the death penalty for pedophiles, then you're okay with innocent people that were convicted wrongfully being executed too, and maybe for political reasons if the right gets their way.
Help them get better.